CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OF TORONTO
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS

Pastor William Palmer
church
Dear Pastor Palmer:

I am very sorry to have to write to you. It is a very difficult matter to broach because perhaps you are not even aware of the situation.

I am sorry to tell you that your wife has become involved in a hate campaign against our religion in Toronto both by her regualr postings to the internet on a newsgroup and by her recent participation in pickets at our Church. We are not sure why she is doing this.

We have discussed this matter with several of our Lutheran Friends and they suggested that we wrtie to you in an effort to open a door communication and hopefully reconciliation. It was even suggested to us that a mediator from COnrad Grebel COllege may be of benefit to resolve the situation if necessary and we agree that this may be helpful.

COmmunication can resolve all things. I hope this is a matter we will be able to discuss.

Please feel free to write me at your earliest convenience.

Yours Sincerely, Rev[sic]. Al Buttnor
Director

20 November, 2001
Mr. Al Buttnor
Scientology
696 Yonge Street,
Suite 807
Toronto,ON
M4Y 2A7 Dear Mr. Buttnor:

I am in receipt of your letter dated November 14th,2001.

I am aware of my wife's activities in regard to Scientology both on the internet and her participation in peaceful pickets of the Toronto Org.

I do not believe that we have anything to discuss in this regard either personally or with a mediator. I will be sending a copy of your letter and my reply to my Bishop's Office. Please do not contact me again as there is nothing for us to discuss.

Sincerely,
Rev. William Palmer

>
> Beverly Rice <dbj1120@mpinet.net> wrote in news:3BFC7C91.7665@mpinet.net:
>
> > Kim, since "Rev." Butnor wants to make an issue regarding
> > your right to free speech regarding getting facts out about
> > the Co$ . . .
> >
> > if you live near me, I will be more than happy to make
> > a presentation regarding "What $cientology Really Is" for
> > your church.
>
> I think it was Kim making a presentation for some Lutheran pastors in her
> area that set the "Rev" Al onto her husband.
>
> Deana Holmes
> mirele@sonic.net
Deana:

You are right. In fact the letter was sent off one day after I spoke to a group of Lutheran Ministers about the COS.

I guess Al didn't like me doing that.

Kim P

My questions:

1) Why talk to your husband? Doesn't Buttnor think you are a modern woman who can handle her own affairs?

2) Why didn't Buttnor provide references? He could have mentioned:

a) the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology
b) picket reports by Kim:
http://xenu.ca/pickets/toronto/2001-08-11-kimpalmer.html
http://xenu.ca/pickets/toronto/2001-09-08-kimpalmer.html
http://xenu.ca/pickets/toronto/2001-11-03-kim-palmer.html
c) the talk Kim gave to all those Lutherans
(It's like he didn't want Rev. Palmer them to read both sides and make up his own mind or something.)

3) Why does Buttnor call himself "Director" of Public Affairs in this letter, not Director of Special Affairs as seems to be his actual title?

Has he switched jobs? Does he not want people to make any association between him and the cult's dirty tricks & intimidation section the Office of Special Affairs?

4) What possible assistance would a mediator be? Kim is picketing and criticizing, not striking or attempting any kind of negotiation.

I realize these are leading questions, but I'd like these points attached to this thread.

> It amazes me that these persons continue to extoll the value of
> communication yet have never learned how to communicate. Their definition
> of communication is that you understand and duplicate their communication,
> in other words, comply with their wishes. So much for free will and free
> speech. It is said that the empty vessel makes the most noise. Scientology
> proves this is true.
> --
Communication = Obedience. Lovely.

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