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From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com
Subject: THE RIGHT TO BE LEFT
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gazit@lear.cs.duke.edu (Hillel)

Me:
>    Child abuse; depriving children of their civil rights and
>    protections isn't a federal offense?
>
>I'm sorry to tell you, but the framers of the Constitution
>did not want to give the federal government the right to
>regulate inside states.  If you think that the federal
>government should have this right then you can try to do
>with the supporters of the Prohibition had done - pass
>a Constitutional Amendment.

    I go with the majority.  I'm not into amending the
    constitution.

    And I'm not up on current jurisdiction.  I'm talking about
    practice.  If cops of any jurisdiction know that children are
    being abused, they will find some way to get in the door.

>    Illegal arms purchase and
>    possession of unregistered explosives are federal crimes.
>
>Koresh did not bother the neighbors or bully them with those
>fire arms.

    Don't matter.  If they were purchased illegally.  *You* pass
    the f*cking amendment.

>If the federal government is so serious about
>gun laws, then I suggest it to start by dealing with
>those people who do use the fire arms to kill on a regular
>basis.  The ATF gave Koresh high priority, 6 months of
>investigation, and attack by 48 ATF agents.  The same ATF
>did very little about the illegal fire arms which are used
>for killing in inner cities every night.  If all the ATF
>wanted to do was just enforce the law, why did they pick
>Koresh and not the inner city gangs?  Is it possible that
>the fire arms offense was just the excuse, but the ATF has
>no intention to enforce the laws fairly?

    Fairly, schmarely.  The person who gets caught breaking the
    law always points the finger at the cops for catching him and
    not somebody else.

>    I've never heard that the NRA is responsible for it. But
>    NRA is definately making political use of the mess-up.
>
>And what's wrong in that?
>
>    Coverup of what?  All the mistakes were made in front of
>    millions of home viewers.
>
>Only two weeks ago I saw the video of the tanks being driven
>if full force directly into the building.

    Please.  With digital imaging, anything can be made to appear
    on your screen.

>I also learned that
>the the government used a flammable gas in the hearings.

    Not inflamable.  Able to be burned, but not enough to cause
    (start or greatly help) the blaze.

>I did
>not know that the fire fighters were delayed for 20 minutes by
>the FBI.

    Fire should have been on scene.  That was dumb.  Not
    *necessarily* criminal.

>Somebody covered up, and they did a good job.

    A few people are covering their *sses.

    Human nature.  It was a total mess as an operation.

    But as the 14 yr. old said, "I knew there was no way it
    could end differently."

>    I hope it doesn't make the FBI, ATF and Justice Dept. too
>    reticent to get into it with the scienos.
>
>The government will never pick such a fight against somebody
>with good lawyers.

    That's just silly.  John Gotti didn't have good lawyers?

    I think I may have been expecting better logic of you.
    Sorry.  Let's end this virtually off-topic thread.  I try to
    mention the scieno connection so it doesn't go totally off.

    It relates only because the scienos want the ATF and FBI to
    look bad as possible in order to limit their willingness to
    find out the sh*t about the scieno crimes.

    Let's drop it, hey?

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