Msg#: 1701                            Date: 03-12-95  15:28
  From: J.j. Hitt                       Read: Yes    Replied: No
    To: Andrew Conner
  Subj: Re: Why

 PS> Furthermore, Smith was once convicted of conning people by way of
 PS> asserting that he could find hidden treasure with the
 PS> stones that were to be used for translation.

 AC> The Urim and Thumim is what you are refering to here I believe.
 AC> I know nothing about this 'con' you are refering to.
 AC> Other than the supposed con of writing the book of Mormon.

 JH> Explain Section 111 of Doctrine and Covenants to us.

 AC> Okay I read it.  Doesn't mean much to me.  What about you?

 Smith claimed that there was "much treasure" in the city of Salem,
 Mass. (Verse 2)

 Did Smith locate any of this treasure? Nope.
 Did any of the other Mormons discover any treasure? Nope.
 Has anyone ever discovered anything even remotely resembling treasure
 in Salem? NOPE.

 Smith claimed the city would be turned over to him. (Verse 3)
 Did this happen? No again.

 Smith claimed he would pay his debts with this treasure. (Verse 5)
 Did this happen? No on both counts: no treasure, no payments.

 Smith claimed that God wanted him to stay in Salem (Verse 8).
 In September 1836 the people of Salem decided they wanted Smith's ass
 out of their town.

 Smith concludes his prophecy by claiming "there are more treasures
 than one" in Salem (Verse 10). He didn't find one, let alone more than
 one.

 In summation: there isn't a SINGLE ITEM of D&C 111 that didn't fall
 flat on it's face.

 Now as to Smith and his 'cons' (confidence games) regarding buried
 treasure: What would you call a debtor who claimed to pay his debts
 with money he was yet to "find"? What would you call his actions after
 the fact, when you knew that there was no treasure and no intention to
 make good on his accounts?

 Perhaps "con" isn't the best word to use here. It's too open to
 interpretation.  "Theft by deception" is much more to the point.

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  Msg#: 1703                                         Date: 03-12-95  15:28
  From: J.j. Hitt                                    Read: Yes    Replied: No
    To: Andrew Conner                                Mark:
  Subj: Re: P of G.P.

 -=> Quoting J.J. Hitt to Fredric Rice <=-

 AC> For what it is worth to you I remember that the scrolls were
 AC> thought to have been destroyed in the Chicago fire but were
 AC> later found in the Museum of Natural History in New York City.

 FR> Is he claiming that the 'original' Mormon myths have been 'found?'

 JH> Shit man... I ain't gonna condense two whole weeks of this soap opera
 JH> into a single message for you.


 Ahhh... thank you... that reminded me of something I've been meaning to
 pester you with... In the above message, but not the part you
 quoted, I mentioned the RLDS Church (the Avis of the Mormon world).

 Smith claimed his son would be his successor:
 Smith's successor was Brigham Young.
 Smith's son became the head of the RLDS.

 Smith claimed the "Saints" would set up shop in Independence, Missouri.
 The LDS Church is headquartered in Salt Lake, Utah.
 The RLDS Church is headquartered in Independence.

 The manuscript of the Book of Mormon is in the possession of the RLDS
 Church, not the LDS one.

 In the dedication prayer for the Kirtland temple, Smith claimed that
 the the "holy presence" would be "continually in this house".
 The Kirtland temple is in the possession of the RLDS.

 If there is "one true Mormon church", it would appear that it has to be
 the folks in Missouri, not the old men in Utah.