Just ran across this little gem . . .

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           1        IN THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR PINELLAS COUNTY, FLORIDA
                                  CASE NO. 00-5682-CI-11
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                DELL LIEBREICH, as Personal
           5    Representative of the ESTATE OF
                LISA McPHERSON,
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           7              Plaintiff,
           8    vs.                                     VOLUME 4
           9    CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG
                SERVICE ORGANIZATION, JANIS
          10    JOHNSON, ALAIN KARTUZINSKI
                and DAVID HOUGHTON, D.D.S.,
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                          Defendants.
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          14
          15    PROCEEDINGS:        Defendants' Omnibus Motion for
                                    Terminating Sanctions and Other Relief.
          16
                CONTENTS:           Testimony of Frank Oliver.
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                DATE:               July 15, 2002.  Afternoon Session.
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                PLACE:              Courtroom B, Judicial Building
          19                        St. Petersburg, Florida.
          20    BEFORE:             Honorable Susan F. Schaeffer,
                                    Circuit Judge.
          21
                REPORTED BY:        Lynne J. Ide, RMR.
          22                        Deputy Official Court Reporter,
                                    Sixth Judicial Circuit of Florida.

          21    BY MR. WEINBERG:
          22         Q    All right, and do you see that this 1991
          23    Executive -- HCO admin letter of 1991 cancels a variety of
          24    policies, including some that -- policy issues, including
          25    some that relate to the Guardian's Office that had been
           1    issued previously by Mr. Hubbard?  Do you see that?
           2         A    I see what it says.  But I don't know if -- I
           3    don't know this to be a true or authorized cancellation of
           4    anything.
           5         Q    Well, I mean, you are -- is it your position that
           6    the Church, in 1991, wasn't permitted to issue this policy?
           7    Is that what you're saying?
           8         A    I would -- at the time, had I been shown this
           9    policy letter at the time, I would have queried the issuing
          10    authority to cancel a policy letter or -- or cancel the use
          11    of any policy letter that was written by L. Ron Hubbard, as
          12    a normal staff member would have done if he was in question
          13    as to the authority of the issue.
          14              THE COURT:  What is, I guess, AVC Int?
          15              MR. MOXON:  It is a part of the Church called
          16         Authorization Verification --
          17              THE COURT:  What is it?
          18              MR. MOXON:  Authorization Verification.  It is
          19         a part of the Church that authorizes policy to be
          20         issued.  That is what that is.
          21              THE COURT:  It says here -- look at this,
          22         Counsel.  It says a whole bunch of these -- most,
          23         really, weren't even written by Mr. Hubbard.
          24              MR. WEINBERG:  What, your Honor?
          25              THE COURT:  Well, it says none of the following
           1         issues were written by --
           2              MR. WEINBERG:  Those weren't.
           3              THE COURT:  -- L. Ron --
           4              MR. WEINBERG:  But the ones that have to do
           5         with the Guardian were.
           6              MR. DANDAR:  It doesn't say that, Judge.  And I
           7         think now they opened the door to try to make
           8         Mr. Oliver an expert witness.
           9              THE COURT:  No, I don't think so.  I think
          10         they've asked him whether or not he's familiar with
          11         this.  I don't know whether he is or he isn't.
          12              But it was of great interest to me because I
          13         now see that policy letters -- they'll have a little
          14         tougher time showing those were scriptures because
          15         if you can change something, well, you can't claim
          16         it is scripture.
          17              MR. LIEBERMAN:  Well, your Honor, that is a
          18         matter for RTC and David Miscavige.  Not for
          19         Mr. Oliver.
          20              THE COURT:  We'll see.  It might be a matter
          21         for the courts and -- it might be a matter the
          22         courts will have to decide.
          23              I'm telling you, you have policy letters that
          24         have always been determined to be scripture.  David
          25         Miscavige in his own affidavit said that if it is
           1         not written, it is not the word.  In David
           2         Miscavige's own declaration it's going to talk about
           3         the inability to change the scripture of L. Ron
           4         Hubbard and the writings of L. Ron Hubbard.
           5              So if it is something that can be changed, it
           6         is not scripture.  If it is not scripture, it is not
           7         protected by the First Amendment.
           8              MR. LIEBERMAN:  Your Honor --
           9              THE COURT:  I mean, a policy of any corporation
          10         is subject to interpretation, it is subject to
          11         challenge, it is subject to all kinds of things.
          12              MR. LIEBERMAN:  Your Honor, with due respect, I
          13         do not see how the Court is going to sit here and
          14         determine for itself what the policy of the Church
          15         of Scientology is or how it is going to permit
          16         anyone other than -- than who is in charge of the
          17         Church now to determine what the policy of the
          18         Church now is.
          19              THE COURT:  Well, then let's say this.
          20         Mr. Reiss is connected with AVC how?  If this policy
          21         was changed by AVC, who is it in charge of it?  Who
          22         is it?  That is the person that will have to come
          23         in -- be careful where you tread, Counselor.